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The reading style is of funny accent in a poetic way, not understandable to even Tamilians. After reading one or two lines or even less sometimes he asks you some questions and you have to answer yes or no only. If you say 'No' he proceeds to the other side of leaf or next leaf and continues his questions.
He says that h e does not know what questions to ask unless he scans the leaves and that is why they generally. If he gets 'No' answers to all the leaves of the first bundle which he goes back into his library and brings another bundle. You can verify the chart given if you know your birth chart he writes the concerned verses from the leaf in a note book. Then he records the same in an audio tape with translation into common understandable Tamil or some other languages with the help of a translator if necessary. He generally charges a minimum of rupees upto this General Kandam Then he asks you whether you want to more details about any particular aspect of your life such as marriage, profession, etc and if so he picks up corresponding bundle and charges a similar amount extra for each aspect which he calls it a separate kandam or chapter.
Some chapters give details about previous birth, remedial measures etc. Kandam 2 - Money family speech, eyes, education. Kandam 6- Enemies, Diseases, Debts, cases in court. Kandam 7 Marriage. Kandam Dasa. Bhuktikandam prediction for the present major and subperiod of the planet. Kandam Predictions about social service and political life Kandam Predictions about attainment of spiritual wisdom through yoga, path to attain salvation, divine advice, appearance of the Deity to one's spiritual eye and divine help.
In addition to these, there is also a special chapter for 'Prasna' where anyquery is answered. Generally Remedial measures are like visiting particular temple, feeding thepoor etc, corresponding to sins the remedial measures re suggested. Suggestion of giving alms to the Nadi reader. Identification Process From Thumb Print Impression Lines on the thumb are classified in types, some say types. Palm leaves are arranged according to these types. The Nadi readers identify the particular types of lines on the thumb and the corresponding set of palm leaves is taken. For example, a particular type is called Conch Shell with a circle.
Among these there are many sub-divisions based on the number of dots on the thumb. Impressions with 5 or more dots are very rare. The time duration to pick up your leaf depends upon the identification of the thumb impression. Some impressions are identified easily and the corresponding leaves are found soon, for legal purposes, the whole thumb is studied minutely.
But they concentrate only on the centre part of the thumb and the sub-divisions therein. And it is the accuracy that has made people from diverse walks of life throng his residence. Generally he insists on seeing only about 5 people a day on appointment, which is usually fixed a month in advance. Without the truth and integrity, they cannot survive for so many years and generations. Of course, there are places where there are fake leaves. Some even faxes their thumb impressions and gets the predictions.
They have translators with them to serve them their children are also inherent in this profession and they are learning the old script and other languages. With the blessings of their ancestors, they will continue for generations. They have so many people benefited by the remedial measures and they get feed back from the clients. Pleased with their service, they bring their friends and other relatives for Nadi reading. They would like to tell the people that they are only 'Nadi readers'. They themselves do not add anything. Some clients get irritated when some of the facts are unpleasant. They cannot help it.
With utmost patience they clear their doubts. Common people and VIPs very important persons from all walks of life have consulted them. They show them the particulars of where the predictions for the native are given. Some of their customers are able to read the leaves on their own. Some even buys their leaves for preservation. They can even take photographs of the names in the leaf. It is possible to train those who are interested in learning nadi Jyotish in terms of Guru-Shishya parampapra teacher-Discipline system and Sanskrit languages, and this knowledge of Nadi Jyotish could be acquired by those.
However, the future of the leaves themselves seems to be uncertain. Though the leaves are smeared with Ayurvedic act, the leaves would turn black after years or so. While they plan to save the contents of the leaf on the computer, they have their own doubts about doing that. They will not feel the same reverence reading the computer prints out as they do when they read the leaf.
Some Examples Of Actual Nadi Readings I prefer to give below three Nadi Readings taken from me from different Nadis and Readers, so that their veracity can be discussed authentically, since I cannot give here all the readings from various Nadis consulted at different places at different times which also gave some correct future results. Krishna Murthy Philosopher and World traveler , popularly known as U. Chandrasekhar in Madras now Chennai India, since h e knew Tamil also.
I happened to see the correct Kowmara Nadi Readings of my father-in-law much earlier , which was given by the father of the present nadi reader. The Nadi Reader asked whether I knew my date and birth chart and he said it would be faster to pick up the concerned leaf. I gave him the same. Some of the questions whether my name and my father's name were given after the name of Lord Venkateswara, whether I have one sister and one son, whether my wife's name was after one of the names of wives of Trimurthy's Bhrahma ,Vishnu,Maheshwara etc. I asked for my profession 10th Kanda and he wrote the readings in Tamil verses in a notebook and translated in English as follows.
The Lord of the 10th house being Chandra is deposited in kendra. Sukra is in his own house and is expected by ketu. Guru and Sani are in parivartana. Kuja and Buddha in the 11th house. For these reasons he will have average ancestral property. He will have a very good start in his career and makes a great deal of progress in all his enterprises. The details are as follows. He will be employed in the following year. He will be skillful in making the necessary parts of machines and service will be rendered to a private.
He will be paid adequately. Government will be helpful to him in the part of his work from 23rd year. He will be engaged in the manufacture of defense articles He will show his efficiency in planning and designing various equipments. He will have a great name in 27th year. He will be occupied in the making of high explosives which is planned by tube-like things and also things, which are useful shooting with the intention damaging lives and properties.
The practical work will be intensified in the 28th year. The scientific knowledge in the matter will be made full. His power will raise. He will see whether the work is carried out properly. His skill will be encouraged in the 30th year and he enriches his knowledge by scrutinizing and analyzing the operation of various missiles. He will be engaged in miscellaneous kind of activities his capacities for organization will be developed in the following three years. His income will be satisfactory.
He makes out various plans and executes. He earned a good name in 35th year.
Takes charge of various sub divisions The number of tools and machines to be operated by him will be increased various departments will come under his control. Good results will be achieved in 38th year. Work relating to planning sketches will be on the increase. He will be well- known in distant places or countries. He will be able to conduct and control all the affairs of the department.
New schemes will be prepared in the 40th year and the scale of pay will be better than before. He is capable of giving training to others and will have great name in the industrial circles. He offers advice in all matters of manufacture in the following two years. He will show his strength in the technical side and he will hold an extraordinary power.
He will be honored by Central Government. He wins the confidence of the administrators and works for them with greater enthusiasm. Administrative responsibilities will be taken over by him in 48th year. His attention will be concentrated on raw materials. He will be held in high esteem by an association where scientific and technical people join together for promoting their studies. His strength and efficiency will go in 50th year and makes necessary arrangements for the development of the work he undertakes.
He will be able to manage the establishment more efficiently than ever and maintains his position through out. When Maharishis said so Parvati remarked that those who are closely associated with him in the work would hinder him. She said that he will get away from the these evils by performing Karma Kanda.
But strangely it may be noticed that no detailed profession was given after 50th year. Some astrological discussions are made. I did the prescribed remedial measures and I cannot vouchsafe that they really helped me, but generally the profession was. Subsequently I went to him after my retirement but he said that my leaf of profession was not available which almost confirmed that I will not have any job later.
The readings seem to be based on Saturn transit of 2 year in each rasi. The readings are crisp and straightforward. Ravi nadi reader in Vasisthanadi in Vaitheeswarankoil on 27 June age 52 after the thumb impression and initial usual questions for general kanda, profession kanda and shanti kanda. General Kanda "Vasishta is narrating.
You will be a torch bearer for others to lead a good life, you will get good concentration God's Bhakti without any lack your life will be prosperous and you will be always thinking about God also at 62d you will establish good contacts with holy people and big political and influential people without any fear you will lead good life, God's blessings will ever continue, but Pariharam is a must, Jnanamarg can be achieved due to your planetary position, your name will be remembered in many countries,you will earn money through many sources by 70 you will a mass wealth.
Always you will live comfortably with wife, son children family. Shanti Kanda "Vasishta is naratting, next poornima in Tanjore district, Ananda Mangalam Place, temple Anjaneya, deepam, archana, feeding poor people then come to nadi place, three fruits, three flowers, clothes to one male Dhoti towel and shirt and female saree and blouse Rs. Motilal Banarsidass Publisher of Delhi, India, assistants helping in computer astrology print outs, people coming in search of me, extension of present house, more research in astrology, meditations, nervous trouble wife's ill health etc, except for some funny astrological statement of "Kalatra Karaka in 7th and Jeevanakaraka Moon in Kendrasthana Makara Government job and engineering job "you will gain lot of income through y our new astrology" Since I get only very limited amount only.
Here also the stress of the reading s seems to be more from transits of Saturn and Jupiter though touching the main dasa periods. The readings are again very crisp and straightforward. I hope that further future readings will also agree. The remedial measures prescribed certain place and God in Tamilnadu and to give money and clothes to Nadi Reader. This seems of a bit of manipulation of reading. I did not do the, specifically since I go usually to Anjaneya temple nearby my house. The future results are given from the date of consultation at certain ages and the timing of past events are not given.
Another Vasishtanadi in Vastheeshwarankoil Here is another reading by the nadi reader, V. The birth chart is also given. Pariharam "Bowing down to Lord Eswara, he is telling the parihara. There is a difference in the life span and parihara mentioned, though it is also Vasistha Nadi but the reader is different. Here the ages of past events are given in more detail. I did not do the prescribed remedies as Durga temple also. It would not be very easy to correlate and predict the events specifically traditional astrological principles, as given by the Nadi reader. The voluntary retirement can be expected in Saturn-Venus period due to shashtashtaka 6thand 8th positions to each other , Saturn in 6th house of service and Venus is lagna lord in lagna giving self involvement and this combination is not considered good as per.
The publication of book can be expected in Saturn -Rahu period Since Saturn aspects 3rd house relating to writings and Rahu is in Jupiter Star connected to astrology. The study of transits of Saturn, Jupiter, Rahu and Ketu may reveal these events. Anyway this would be only a postmortem analysis unless one is very thorough with his astrological principles and highly experienced to progress the chart very professionally to prefix that exact future events before the events occur. However, it would be highly impossible to tell the exact names. Only at places recently at Hyderabad I was told that my leaf was not available and it should be got from Vaitheeswarankoil.
Here are some of my brief reactions about the same; - After taking the thumb print, nobody asked me my date and time of birth no different appointments, nobody monitored behind the screen in other room, being an astrologer myself I was very careful not to give any clues. In the index scanning, leaf after leaf they asked whether moon star or lagna in chara or sthira or dwiswabhava rasi whether my name and names of wife and parents certain names after some God or Goddess or contained certain number of letter, sounds of letters whether present age is so and so whether coborns are so many numbers whether parents alive or dead, whether born certain seasons year month and dates etc Moon star etc etc They never asked the exact ones and I never told the exact ones till end.
Now the real trick to tell exactly about your date of birth, names co-borns etc comes into play. Even if an exact chart with degrees of planets given can an astrologer tell these purely from astrological principles may be if he is thorough with his subject highly experiences but definitely no as far as telling the exact names probably in names likely may sound unless he has got some extraordinary psychic powers.
Then how do they tell with a broad chart. The exact past events and names when the detailed charts of twins also differ. I did not check the twins' charts with them and it would be worthwhile to do that for this research. So at this stage there must be having some method to correct the available nearest chart to give your readings.
I heard that they rewrite the leaves at certain intervals of time as per the coding and system mentioned in some introductory to such to the cycles of time I am not sure. Or their recitation of some mantra would be enabling them to tell the events through some spirit. How did Sage Satyacharya write in Dhruvanadi a life pattern for each nadi amsha. Are these so-called nadi readers are conversant with intricacies of astrology at all. I interviewed with some of them with some astrological talk, while reading they said they did not know much of astrology and said they were trained for 10 to 12 years how to pick up and read the leaves.
Even if you cannot answer some of his questions pertaining to astrological debut such as moon position, moon star, lagna position etc, and some times even your birth date and month year since you do not know your birth data and chart, the nadi fellow tells your date of birth, chart, exact names etc. So it seems to me that the linking the exact names play a vital role and you can easily see the veracity of this since another person with some chart cannot have the same names of theirs and parents.
Even in twins with 3 minutes birth difference the names of twins differ but sound similar but with different charts, but same names of parents.
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Being an astrologer I can easily see this whole process is to know the position of planets Saturn, Jupiter, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Lagna for example if he asks whether I am 60 years old and I agree by working backwards from now the position of Saturn 2 years Jupiter 1 year Rahu and Ketu 1 yrs one approximately can know my birth year and their position at my birth year, If he asks whether I was born in rain season and I agree, sun position can be known approximately, similarly Moon position generally do not bother about the lagna that means birth time.
They get satisfied with the approximate names also after some scanning. But still the whole chart is not known at this stage, these index leaves have got some linking charts to be picked up. Then they bring the leaf if available and give the whole chart exact date of birth, names, past events, future etc as a general Kandam and you will be impressed. This is their training process and they generally do not agree for reading without thumbprint even if you want to give chart.
They never give the degree portion of planets and lagna in the chart. So obviously other Vargas charts the nearest one which matches your past events since it is not possible to have records of all charts. On 31st May age 55 in Salem I tried to jot down points as the Nadi reader was reading leaf after leaf from the index bundles and he noticed and objected to the same.
Born Wednesday, lagna ubhaya lagna, father temple constructed, mother name starting with "pa. In 5th bundle of index leaves in about 15th leaf all the details about names, profession, lagna, rasi matched, the nadi reader told me when the thumb impressed would be connected to 5 to 12 bundles of General Kandam each bundle roughly containing about 50 leaves, any one of bundle and any one of leaf would be connected to you.
In fact the nadi reader got fed up reading so many leaves and after 3 bundles he refused to continue even, but upon my request he finally got it in 5th bundle ie. After reading about leaves an enormous strenuous job for both of us! Recently I had a funny experience while reading the index cards for my friend the nadi astrologer asked whether moon is in cancer in Aslesha and also asked about the approximate names of parents. We said the parents' names are correct, but the star is wrong.
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Then after some leaves, he again said the same parents names but with Pushyami star, which we again denied. After some more leaves, he again said same names but with Punarvasu star and we agreed since we knew the star and the.
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If we do not know the exact moon star what leaf the nadi astrologer decides and he may choose the wrong leaf. If he is not patient to scan thoroughly to verify other past events and the readings can be wrong. So it is possible, that somebody might have been born with similar parents named but with different moon stars, such as in twins or otherwise also elsewhere in different places. In olden days, the names were given as per the letters sounds mentioned for moon stars, though nowadays nobody follows those rules to give names.
As far as I know there is none. Therefore, it is possible that the nadi astrologers propitiate some spirit to tell these exact names including exact past events, since they are not conversant with astrology thoroughly. Also I found that all the nadi astrologers would not tell exactly the same future and events remedial measures defending upon the nadi grantha they follow, through they tell the past correctly I presume that the same is time when they tell about the past life.
So these cannot be relied upon. You go to the same nadi reader after one year and take the readings again from the same nadi grantha, will he give the same readings as he had given one year back. I have yet to check this, without telling him that I consulted him a year back. I presume that it would be different readings of the nadi reader changer even if the same nadi grantha were consulted because I feel the person who reads is also involved in the process defending upon his experience.
Yes, I feel it would be so, when there is doubt about the decision for giving prediction, purely from astrology angle. That is why, it is said in sastras that the astrologers should follow the ethics and Dharamas to couple real excellent reasons along with the analysis following the astrological principles, so that the correct predictions would come out. So what is difference between these Nadi Astrologers and the other real good astrologers? I feel the former would purely use his training with Mantra or spirit without any astrological background. Where as the other astrologer is answerable subsequent for his predictions, of course he can also escape saying that the birth.
The nadi astrologers sued the Vakya Siddhanta for casting the horoscopes and some times the position of planets differ from what we get usually. One Tamil language expert told me that it is not possible to read the scripts understand. Some say that astrology is not a pure service. I feel that other sources i.
It is true that no exact future can be told in astrology or even in other sciences when the space rockets burst in spite of lot of computer calcultions, experiments. Some Doubts and Questions In view of the above discussions, several doubts and questions which arise on Nadi Jyotish are consolidated here as far as possible at random:-What is the real origin of this Nadi Jyotish?
Are they really written by some Sages and only by professional astrologers?
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Are they the records of those born in earlier written on palm leaves in thosetimes? Why a right thumb impression for male and left for female is to be taken? In what language they were written originally? When were they translated into other languages? How many bundles of leaves are available in total? Is each set of leaves after some name of Nadi Jyotish is different? Is there really anything written on the leaves at all or something appear thenand there? Is there any Mantra or some other means used by the Nadi astrologers? Is there any specific science written to get the birth chart and birth data fromthe thumb impressions?
How the exact names can be told? What is the procedure followed by the nadi reader to pick up the index leavesfrom his library from thumb impression? How is it on some leaves only some type of funny pattern of lines was writtenwithout any normal language form of script? How is it that some type of Tamil script found on the leaves could not beunderstood? Why do the readers give the future readings from the date of consultation onlyat some intervals of age only? Why do they not give the occurrence of past events age wise generally?
How do they give the names of foreigners also sometimes? Is there any privacy issue? Why do some readers ask y u to come again? Which collections are considered largest and carefully reserved etc? Which nadi readers are held reliable? How the small place in Tamilnadu,Vaitheeswaran koil has got different readerseven in small houses offering readers.?
Are there leaves were distributed amongst members of that family for theirdifferent businesses charging different fees?
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